Jet pejuang Su-25 Ukraine DIKESAN dalam PENDEKATAN Dekat dengan MH17 sebelum KEMALANGAN - MOSCOW . . .

'MENGAPA KAH SU-25 Ukraine terbang laluan yg sama MH17, pd masa yg sama pada ketinggian yg sama?' . . .

Tentera Rusia mengesan jet pejuang Ukraine SU-25 mendapat ketinggian terhadap MH17 Boeing pada hari malapetaka. Kiev mesti menjelaskan mengapa jet tentera telah mengesan kapal terbang penumpang, kata Kementerian Pertahanan Rusia.

'Why did Ukraine SU-25 fly same path as MH17, simultaneously at same altitude?' - Russian Military

The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

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Srikandi גבורה - Tentera Rusia yang mengesan jet pejuang Ukraine SU-25 mendapat ketinggian terhadap Boeing MH17 pada hari malapetaka. Kiev yang mesti menjelaskan mengapa jet tentera telah dikesan pd kapal terbang penumpang, kata Kementerian Pertahanan Rusia.

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"Seorang tentera jet Ukraine Tentera Udara telah dikesan mendapat ketinggian, ia jauh dari Boeing Malaysia adalah 3 sehingga 5 kilometer," kata ketua Direktorat Operasi Utama HQ pasukan tentera Rusia, Leftenan Jeneral Andrey Kartopolov demikian pada sidang media di Moscow pada Isnin.

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash – Moscow

The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

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“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

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LANGSUNG: Kiev mendakwa ada pesawat tentera beroperasi lalui Donetsk pada 17 Julai adalah palsu '(LIVE: 'Kiev claims no military aircraft operated over Donetsk on July 17th are false)' http://on.rt.com/i78m5v 

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"[Kami] ingin mendapatkan penjelasan mengapa kah jet tentera terbang di sepanjang koridor penerbangan awam pada masa yang hampir sama dan pada tahap yang sama seperti kapal terbang penumpang," katanya.

"The SU-25 jet pejuang boleh mendapat ketinggian 10km, mengikut spesifikasi," tambah beliau. "Ia dilengkapi dengan udara-ke-udara R-60 peluru berpandu yang boleh mengenai sasaran pada jarak sehingga 12km, sehingga pasti 5km."

Kehadiran jet tentera Ukraine boleh disahkan oleh tembakan video yang dibuat oleh pusat pemantauan Rostov, Kartopolov dinyatakan.

Pada saat kemalangan MH17 suatu satelit Amerika telah terbang di atas kawasan timur Ukraine, menurut Kementerian Pertahanan Rusia. Ia menggesa Amerika Syarikat untuk menerbitkan gambar-gambar ruang dan data yang dirakam olehnya.

'Buk sistem peluru berpandu Ukraine diangkut ke kawasan yang dipegang militan'

Di samping itu, MH17 terhempas dlm zon operasi sendiri digerakkan, jarak sederhana permukaan-ke-udara sistem peluru berpandu tentera Ukraine ini 'Buk, berkata umum Rusia.

"Kami mempunyai imej ruang tempat2 tertentu di mana udara pertahanan Ukraine terletak di bahagian tenggara negara ini," Kartapolov dinyatakan.

Yang pertama 3 tembakan yang ditunjukkan umum bertarikh 14 Julai Imej-imej menunjukkan Buk sistem pelancaran peluru berpandu di kira-kira 8km di barat laut bandar Lugansk - kenderaan sendiri yang digerakkan dan 2 pelancar, menurut pegawai tentera.

Satu lagi imej menunjukkan sebuah stesen radar berhampiran Donetsk.

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.

“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to Russia’s Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.

‘Ukrainian Buk missile system transported to militia-held area’

In addition, MH17 crashed within the operating zone of the Ukrainian army’s self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air ‘Buk’ missile systems, the Russian general said.

“We have space images of certain places where the Ukraine’s air defense was located in the southeast of the country,” Kartapolov noted.

The first three shots that were shown by the general are dated July 14. The images show Buk missile launch systems in about 8km northwest of the city of Lugansk – a self-propelled vehicle and two launchers, according to the military official.

Another image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

Foto ihsan daripada Kementerian Pertahanan Rusia (Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry)

Manakala gambar yg ke-3 menunjukkan lokasi sistem pertahanan udara berhampiran Donetsk, jelas beliau. Khususnya, kita boleh melihat dengan jelas sistem bergerak sendiri, kira-kira 60 unit peralatan ketenteraan dan khas, beliau menjelaskan.

While the third picture shows the location of the air defense systems near Donetsk, he explained. In particular, one can clearly see the self-propelled system, about 60 units of military and special equipment, he elaborated.

Foto ihsan daripada Kementerian Pertahanan Rusia (Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry)

"Imej dari kawasan ini juga telah dibuat pada 17 Julai Seseorang perlu melihat bahawa pelancar peluru berpandu itu tidak hadir [dari tempat kejadian]. Nombor imej yang ke-5 menunjukkan sistem peluru berpandu Buk pada pagi hari yang sama dalam bidang penyelesaian Zaroschinskoe - 50km selatan Donetsk & 8km selatan Shakhtyorsk, "yang Kartapolov

“Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe – 50km south of Donetsk and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk," the Kartapolov

Foto ihsan daripada Kementerian Pertahanan Rusia (Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry)

Foto ihsan daripada Kementerian Pertahanan Rusia (Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry)

Persoalan yang perlu dijawab ialah mengapa sistem peluru berpandu yang muncul di kawasan yg dikawal oleh tentera militia tempatan tdk lama sebelum bencana, katanya.

Imej diambil pd 18 Julai menunjukkan bahawa sistem peluru berpandu meninggalkan kawasan kemalangan MH17 pada 17 Julai, kata pegawai tentera.

Kartapolov juga menunjukkan fakta bahawa pada hari nahas kapal terbang tentera Ukraine meningkat keamatan stesen radar sistem peluru berpandu Buk.

Sebagai tindak balas kepada bukti Moscow, Kiev berkata pada hari Isnin ia mempunyai bukti peluru berpandu yang membawa ke bawah sebuah pesawat Malaysia minggu lalu datang dari Rusia.

"Terdapat bukti bahawa peluru berpandu yg melanda pesawat dipecat oleh pengganas, yang menerima senjata dan pakar-pakar dari Persekutuan Rusia," jurucakap Ukraine Majlis Keselamatan Andrey Lysenko pada sidang akhbar. "Untuk berlepas diri tragedi ini, [Rusia] adalah lukisan banyak gambar dan peta. Kami akan meneroka apa-apa gambar dan rancangan lain yang dikemukakan oleh pihak Rusia."

The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.

Images taken on July 18 show that the missile systems left the area of the MH17 crash on July 17, the military official said.

Kartapolov also pointed to the fact that on the day of the plane crash Ukraine’s military increased the intensity of the radar stations of the Buk missile systems.

In response to Moscow’s evidence, Kiev said on Monday it had proof the missile that brought down a Malaysian airliner last week came from Russia.

"There is evidence that the missile which struck the plane was fired by terrorists, who received arms and specialists from the Russian Federation," spokesman for Ukraine's Security Council Andrey Lysenko told a news conference. "To disown this tragedy, [Russia] are drawing a lot of pictures and maps. We will explore any photos and other plans produced by the Russian side."

NAHAS Kapal terbang Malaysia Airlines: tentera Rusia mengumumkan data mengenai kejadian MH17 ke atas Ukraine (Full/PENUH) . . .

Kementerian Pertahanan Rusia mengadakan sidang akhbar mengenai butir2 MH17 kemalangan di timur Ukraine. Kementerian Pertahanan melaporkan bahawa pada hari malapetaka, jet pejuang SU-25 Ukraine mendapat ketinggian terhadap Boeing 777. Panggilan untuk Kiev untuk menjelaskan mengapa jet pejuang menjejaki pesawat.

Malaysian Airlines plane crash: Russian military unveil 

data on MH17 incident over Ukraine (FULL) . . .

The Russian Defense Ministry holds a press conference on the details of MH17 crash in eastern Ukraine. Defense Ministry reports that on the day of the catastrophe, a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the Boeing 777. Calling for Kiev to explain why the fighter jet was tracking the airplane.

Time stamps:

BUK M1 surface to air missiles: http://youtu.be/4bNPInuSqfs?t=2m38s

Ukrainian SU25 fighter near MH17: http://youtu.be/4bNPInuSqfs?t=11m17s

Video of air traffic over Donetsk: http://youtu.be/4bNPInuSqfs?t=15m9s

Experimental US satellite over Ukraine during time of MH17: http://youtu.be/4bNPInuSqfs?t=22m41s

Issue with 'smoking gun' video & car dealership address: http://youtu.be/4bNPInuSqfs?t=25m3s

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PUTIN: Petugas di lokasi KEMALANGAN MALAYSIA MH17 TIDAK mencukupi, pasukan SKALA Antarabangsa penuh DIPERLUKAN . . .

Srikandi גבורה - Kemalangan penerbangan MH17 Malaysia tragis tdk blh dipolitikkan & pakar-pakar antarabangsa di tempat kejadian akan dapat menjalankan tugas mereka dalam keselamatan lengkap, kata Presiden Rusia Vladimir Putin.

"Sudah ada wakil-wakil Donetsk dan Lugansk bekerja di sana, dan juga wakil-wakil kementerian kecemasan Ukraine dan lain-lain. Tetapi ini tidak mencukupi, "kata Putin secara rasmi mengulas mengenai peristiwa tragis pada hari Ahad.

"Pasukan petugas ini tidak mencukupi," Putin penekanan. "Kami memerlukan lebih banyak, kita memerlukan kumpulan wakil sepenuhnya daripada pakar-pakar yang bekerja di laman ini di bawah bimbingan ICAO, suruhanjaya antarabangsa yg relevan."

"Kita mesti melakukan apa saja utk menyediakan jaminan bagi pakar2 antarabangsa di tapak tragedi itu," Putin menegaskan, sambil menambah bahawa Rusia juga akan melakukan segala-galanya dalam kuasanya untuk membantu mengalihkan konflik Ukraine dari fasa tentera ke dalam perbincangan politik.

"Kita perlu melakukan segala-galanya untuk menyediakan keselamatan [ICAO suru-hanjaya itu], untuk menyediakan koridor kemanusiaan diperlukan untuk kerja-kerja ini," kata Putin.

"Dalam pd itu, tiada siapa yang harus & tidak mempunyai hak untuk menggunakan tragedi ini untuk mencapai matlamat politik sempit yang mementingkan diri mereka sendiri," Putin dinyatakan.

"Kami berkali-kali menyeru semua pihak yang bercanggah untuk menghentikan pertumpahan darah dgn segera & duduk di meja rundingan," Presiden mengingatkan. "Saya boleh mengatakan dengan keyakinan bahawa jika operasi ketenteraan tidak disambung semula pada 28 Jun di timur Ukraine, tragedi ini tidak akan berlaku."

Dalam pada itu, Rusia telah memperkenalkan draf resolusi sendiri untuk memanggil Majlis Keselamatan PBB untuk siasatan berat sebelah Penerbangan Malaysia MH17 kemalangan di Ukraine, Duta Rusia ke PBB Vitaly Churkin berkata.

'Ya, kami telah melakukannya, "Churkin memberitahu dilaporkan menjawab soalan mengenai draf Rusia. "Hanya untuk menunjukkan apa yang kita bercakap tentangnya. Perbezaannya ialah dalam draf kami adalah benar-benar jelas ia memang siasatan antarabangsa yang saksama di bawah di bawah bimbingan ICAO."

Menurut angka terbaru daripada pihak berkuasa Donetsk, 247 daripada 298 mayat dijumpai dari lokasi kemalangan. OSCE mengesahkan bahawa kereta api dengan mayat-mayat mangsa sedang ditempatkan di sebuah stesen kereta api di Torez dan bersedia untuk berlepas ke Donetsk. Mayat2 yg disimpan dalam kereta terutamanya dalam peti sejuk.

Sepasukan pakar ISCE dan 4 forensik penganalisis Ukraine adalah satu-satunya pakar yg setakat ini telah mencapai kawasan tersebut & bekerja siasatannya. Sekumpulan 12 pakar Malaysia masih belum tiba di lokasi kemalangan. Pakar-pakar dari negara-negara Eropah yang lain, termasuk Belanda, Perancis. Jerman dan UK dalam perjalanan menuju ke Donetsk.

Pasukan OSCE telah mendakwa bahawa kotak hitam belum pulih, namun Aleksandr Boroday, Perdana Menteri republik itu, memberitahu pemberita bahawa DPR ber-potensi seperti di dalam milikan kotak hitam MH17. "Apa yang kita ada hanya beberapa komponen pesawat Kami tidak pakar; kami fikir bahawa mereka ada kotak hitam tetapi kami tidak pasti."

Putin: Taskforce at Malaysia MH17 CRASH site not enough, full-scale intl team NEEDED . . .

The tragic Malaysian MH17 flight crash must not be politicised and the international experts on the scene should be able to carry out their work in complete safety, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

“There are already representatives of Donetsk and Lugansk working there, as well as representatives of the emergencies ministry of Ukraine and others. But this is not enough,” Putin said officially commenting on the tragic event on Sunday.

“This task force is not enough,” Putin emphasized. “We need more, we need a fully representative group of experts to be working at the site under the guidance of ICAO, the relevant international commission.”

“We must do everything to provide security for the international experts on the site of the tragedy,” Putin stressed, adding that Russia will also do everything in its power to help shift the Ukrainian conflict from a military phase into a political discussion.

“We need to do everything to provide its [ICAO commission’s] safety, to provide the humanitarian corridors necessary for its work,” Putin added.

“In the meantime, nobody should and has no right to use this tragedy to achieve their ‘narrowly selfish’ political goals,” Putin stated.

“We repeatedly called upon all conflicting sides to stop the bloodshed immediately and sit down at the negotiating table,” the President reminded. “I can say with confidence that if military operations were not resumed on June 28 in eastern Ukraine, this tragedy wouldn’t have happened.”

In the meantime, Russia has introduced its own draft resolution to the UN Security Council calling for an impartial investigation of Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash in Ukraine, Russia’s ambassador to UN Vitaly Churkin said.

‘Yes, we did it,” Churkin told reported answering the question about Russia’s draft. “Just to show what we are talking about. The difference is that in our draft it is absolutely clear it is indeed an impartial international investigation under the under the guidance of ICAO.”

According to the latest figures from the Donetsk authorities, 247 out of 298 bodies have been recovered from the crash site. OSCE confirmed that a train with bodies of the victims is being stationed at a railway station in Torez and is set to depart for Donetsk. The bodies are being kept in especially refrigerated cars.

A team of ISCE experts and four Ukrainian forensics analysts are the only experts who have so far reached the area and are working on the investigation. A team of 12 Malaysian experts is yet to arrive at the crash site. Experts from other European nations, including the Netherlands, France. Germany and the UK are en route to Donetsk.

The OSCE team has claimed that the black boxes have not been recovered, yet Aleksandr Boroday, the republic’s prime minister, told reporters that DPR might potentially be in possession of the MH17 black boxes. "What we have is just some components of the plane. We are not experts; we think that they may be black boxes but we're not sure."

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'IANYA jatuh dari LANGIT:' Saksi-saksi KEMALANGAN daripada MH17 Menceritakan Kisah MEREKA . . .

Srikandi גבורה - Yang tinggal mayat-mayat, terhempas bahagian kapal terbang, masih membakar enjin - yg merupakan gambaran dramatik & mengerikan bahawa penduduk tempatan menyaksikan apabila pesawat Malaysia terhempas di langit di atas Wilayah Donetsk di timur Ukraine.

Malaysia Airlines MH17 nahas kapal terbang di Ukraine LIVE TERKINI Malaysia Airlines MH17 plane crash in Ukraine LIVE UPDATES

Tiada tanda-tanda masalah berada di udara pada hari petang Khamis - hari tragedi itu yang mengorbankan 298 orang di atas kapal kapal terbang menuju dari Amsterdam ke Kuala Lumpur.

"Saya dan isteri saya telah makan malam apabila kita mendengar bunyi yang pelik yang berbunyi seperti orang2 bertepuk tangan," kata Dmitry, seorang penduduk tempatan.

Apabila mereka keluar dari rumah, mereka melihat badan - lebih tepat lagi, sisa-sisa badan - berbaring berhampiran. Dmitry percaya bahawa ia mesti telah jatuh dari ketinggian yang sangat tinggi.

"Satu perkara yang tinggal pada mayat adalah T-shirt. Ia adalah seorang lelaki. Kaki patah, saya melihat hampir tiada darah, "kata Dmitry," Sekarang anda boleh mencium bau bau ini di sini - tidak ada perkataan untuk menggambarkan ianya. Disini rumah saya, dan semuanya berlaku di sini."

‘THEY Were falling from the SKYs’: Witnesses of MH17 CRASH tell their STORIES . . .

Remain of the bodies, crashed parts of the plane, still burning engines – that was the dramatic and gruesome picture that local residents saw when the Malaysian plane crashed in the sky over Donetsk Region in eastern Ukraine.

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No signs of trouble were in the air on Thursday afternoon - the day of the tragedy which killed 298 people on board the plane heading from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

“My wife and I were having dinner when we heard a strange noise sounding like clapping," says Dmitry, a local resident.

When they went out of the house, they saw a body - more precisely, the remains of a body - lying nearby. Dmitry believes that it must have fallen from a high altitude.

“The only thing left on the body was a T-shirt. It was a man. The legs were broken, I saw practically no blood,” added Dmitry, ”Now you can smell this odor over here – there are no words to describe it. Here is my house, and it all happened right here.”

Tapak pesawat terhempas Malaysia (The site of crashed Malaysian plane (screenshot from RT video)

Aleksandr, satu lagi penduduk tempatan yang menyaksikan pesawat yang jatuh dari langit, ketika menonton TV tetapi apabila dia mendengar "di halaman raungan dan 2 letupan." Dia keluar untuk melihat apa yang berlaku.

"[I] melihat pesawat berputar tanpa sayap dengan sesuatu yang jatuh daripada itu. Pesawat itu telah ditembak jatuh, "katanya kepada RT. "Ada letupan di langit. Dan selain dari bunyi yang kuat pesawat itu sendiri, saya mendengarnya buzz yang dibuat jet2 pejuang."

Jatuh mayat juga satu kejutan untuk keluarga Marina, seorang lagi penduduk kampung.

"Saya hanya melangkah keluar dari rumah saya dan mendengar guruh. Suami saya keluar selepas saya dan melihat mayat wanita itu jatuh. Beliau fikir ia adalah saya. Dia hampir bertukar menjadi kelabu," katanya kepada Ruptly.

Aleksandr, another local who witnessed the plane falling from the sky, was watching TV but when he heard “a roar and two explosions.” He went out to see what was going on.

“[I] saw a spinning plane without a wing with something falling out of it. The plane was shot down,” he told RT. “There were explosions in the sky. And apart from the loud sounds of the plane itself, I heard the buzz which fighter jets make.”

Falling dead bodies were also a shock for the family of Marina, another village resident.

"I just stepped out of my house and heard thunder. My husband came out after me and saw the body of the woman fall. He thought it was me. He nearly turned grey," she told Ruptly.

Screenshot from RT video

Marina berkata, kini dia sangat takut untuk pergi ke luar dan sejak kemalangan itu " dia menjauh dari halaman itu."

Tapak nahas kapal terbang hanya berhampiran dari beberapa lombong arang batu. Perlombongan adalah industri utama kawasan timur Ukraine dpd Donbas, termasuk Donetsk dan Kawasan Lugansk.

Apabila kapal terbang jatuh, pelombong arang batu berdekatan dgn serta-merta turun kerja mereka dan bergegas ke tempat kejadian untuk membantu.

"Ada 30 orang dlm peralihan dan hanya 2 daripada mereka pergi ke tempat kerja, yang lain datang ke sini untuk membantu," kata Pyotr, pelombong tempatan.

Katanya, beliau telah tinggal bersama keluarganya seluruh hidupnya di rantau ini.

"Saya telah bekerja di coalmine ini selama 40 tahun. Dan sekarang saya hanya ingin membantu, itu sahaja. Kerajaan kita sendiri bom kita."

Marina says that now she is very afraid to go outside and since the accident she “didn't step away from her courtyard."

The plane crash site is just near several coal mines. Mining is the major industry of eastern Ukraine’s area of Donbas, which includes Donetsk and Lugansk Regions.

When the plane fell, nearby coal miners immediately dropped their work and rushed to the scene to help.

“There are 30 people in our shift and just two of them went to work, others came here to help,” said Pyotr, a local miner.

He says he has been living with his family his whole life in the region.

“I’ve been working in this coalmine for 40 years. And now I just want to help, that's all. Our own government is bombing us.”

Tapak pesawat terhempas Malaysia (The site of crashed Malaysian plane (screenshot from RT video)

Punca kemalangan masih belum ditubuhkan oleh penyiasat. Pemerhati OSCE telah tiba di lokasi pesawat itu terhempas untuk analisis forensik untuk menentukan apa sebenarnya yang berlaku kepada Boeing 777.

Kedua-dua Kiev dan timur ‘self-defense forces’ Ukraine menafikan tanggungjawab dan tukar-menukar menyalahkan satu sama lain.

Donetsk tentera mempertahankan diri menyatakan bahawa mereka tidak mempunyai peralatan tentera untuk menembak jatuh kapal terbang dari ketinggian 10,000 meter, manakala Kiev berkata ia tidak boleh melepaskan peluru berpandu di kapal terbang awam yang lulus kerana ia tidak mempunyai Buk pelancar peluru berpandu dikerahkan di rantau ini.

The cause of the crash is yet to be established by investigators. The OSCE observers have arrived at the site of the crashed plane for forensic analysis to define what exactly happened to the Boeing 777.

Both Kiev and the eastern Ukrainian self-defense forces deny responsibility and are trading blame.

Donetsk self-defense troops declared that they simply don’t have the military equipment to shoot down a plane from a 10,000-meter altitude, while Kiev said it could not have fired a missile at the passing civilian plane because it had no Buk missile launchers deployed in the region.

Tapak pesawat terhempas Malaysia (The site of crashed Malaysian plane (screenshot from RT video)

Persoalannya yang banyak mengapa pesawat Malaysia terbang ke atas ZonePerang Ukraine Questions over why Malaysian plane flew over Ukrainian warzone

Sementara itu Kementerian Pertahanan Rusia berkata bahawa tentera Ukraine mem-punyai beberapa Buk sistem bateri peluru berpandu permukaan-ke-udara dengan sekurang-kurangnya 27 pelancar, mampu menurunkan jet terbang tinggi, di Wilayah Donetsk di mana pesawat penumpang terhempas Malaysia.

Moscow panggilan untuk siasatan ke dalam kemalangan intl penerbangan Malaysia MH17 - Rusia utusan PBB Moscow calls for intl probe into Malaysia MH17 flight crash – Russia’s UN envoy

Kemudian ia berkata Ukraine Buk anti-pesawat bateri peluru berpandu beroperasi di rantau ini dan ditempatkan di tapak yang ia boleh melepaskan peluru berpandu di pesawat itu.

Questions over why Malaysian plane flew over Ukrainian warzone

Meanwhile the Russian Defense Ministry said that the Ukrainian military has several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers, capable of bringing down high-flying jets, in the Donetsk Region where the Malaysian passenger plane crashed.

Moscow calls for intl probe into Malaysia MH17 flight crash – Russia’s UN envoy

Later it added that a Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational in the region and deployed at a site from which it could have fired a missile at the airliner.

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PESAWAT Malaysia terhempas di E. Ukraine berhampiran Sempadan RUSIA, lebih dari 280 orang di atas KAPAL . . .

Srikandi גבורה - Malaysia Airlines Boeing - 777 dengan lebih 280 penumpang ter-hempas di Ukraine, berhampiran dengan sempadan dgn Russia. Kedua-dua Kiev & pembangkang menafikan penglibatan dalam kejadian itu.

TERKINI LIVE: NAHAS Kapal terbang Malaysia Airlines MH17di Ukraine http://on.rt.com/qktj3s

Ketua Kementerian Dalam Negeri Ukraine Anton Geraschenko berkata pesawat yang membawa 280 penumpang dan 15 anak kapal jatuh terhempas.

Malaysia Airlines telah mengesahkan bahawa ia telah terputus hubungan dengan kapal terbang apabila ia terbang di atas tanah Ukraine.

Pesawat penumpang telah dijangka memasuki ruang udara Rusia pada pukul 5:20 petang waktu tempatan, tetapi tidak pernah lakukan, sumber industri penerbangan Rusia yang dipetik oleh Reuters.

"Pesawat itu terhempas 60km dari sempadan, pesawat itu mempunyai beacon kecemasan," ITAR-TASS memetik sumbernya.

Penduduk telah melaporkan mencari serpihan dari kapal terbang, yang mereka boleh katakan milik Boeing Malaysia. Mereka berkata, beberapa dozen penumpang mati telah dijumpai, RIA Novosti melaporkan.

Kumpulan yang berjuang tentera Kiev di timur Ukraine telah menolak sebarang peng-libatan dalam kejadian itu, kerana terdapat laporan bahawa pesawat itu ditembak jatuh.

Republik Rakyat Donetsk itu mendakwa ‘self-defense forces’ yang tidak mempunyai peralatan ketenteraan seperti tersebut.

Donetsk Republik Rakyat PM Aleksandr Boroday telah dipanggil insiden itu sebagai "provokasi oleh tentera Ukraine".

"Kami mengesahkan bahawa pesawat itu terhempas tidak jauh dari Donetsk," kata Boroday. "Wakil-wakil Republik Donetsk Rakyat tlh menuju ke tempat kejadian carian pesawat."

‘Self-defense forces’ tidak mempunyai udara-pertahanan, yang boleh sasaran pesawat pengangkutan pada ketinggian itu," katanya kepada Interfax.

"Kita hanya ada MANPADS (anti-pesawat kompleks peluru berpandu mudah alih) yang melanda sasaran pada 3-4 kilometer," Sergey Kavtaradze, wakil untuk PM Donetsk Republik Rakyat (Donetsk People’s Republic), juga memberitahu wartawan.

Tentera Rusia juga mengatakan tiada satu pun daripada pesawat ketenteraan telah terbang dekat dgn sempadan Rusia-Ukraine pada hari Khamis, RIA Novosti dilaporkan memetik seorang pegawai tentera.

Presiden Ukraine Petro Poroshenko tidak menolak kemungkinan bahawa kapal terbang Malaysia telah ditembak jatuh.

"Kami tidak menolak bahawa pesawat ini telah ditembak jatuh dan tekanan bahawa kuasa-kuasa Ukraine tidak memenuhi apa-apa tindakan mensasarkan di udara," kata Poroshenko. Tambahnya satu suruhanjaya siasatan akan dilancarkan.

Pada masa yang sama, Anton Geraschenko berkata di laman Facebook beliau bahawa pesawat itu disasarkan dari udara pertahanan peluru berpandu kompleks "Buk".

RIA Novosti yang menukilkan sumber yang mengatakan bahawa Kiev sememangnya dikerahkan "Buk" di rantau Donetsk itu.

"Menurut sistem kawalan objektif," Buk "pembahagian angkatan tentera Ukraine dipindahkan ke rantau Donetsk pada hari Rabu. Sekarang ini di Kharkov bahagian lain sedang disediakan, "kata sumber itu.

Sumber2 menegaskan bahawa pesawat terbang pada ketinggian lebih 10 kilometer hanya boleh disasarkan oleh senjata kelas C-300 atau 'Buk".

Satu sumber di Rusia persekutuan agensi trafik udara Rosaviatsia tlh berkata bahawa 3 hari lalu Keselamatan Negara dan Pertahanan Majlis Ukraine menutup ruang udara di timur Ukraine kerana apa yang dipanggilnya "operasi anti-pengganas" yang Kiev mengadakan di rantau ini.

Terdahulu wakil Republik Donetsk Rakyat berkata pesawat penerbangan awam tidak boleh terbang lalui wilayah Donetsk dan Lugansk. Beliau menambah bahawa semua kawalan lalu lintas dan navigasi peralatan yang diperlukan telah rosak.

"Sokongan menghantar semua penerbangan penumpang sedang dijalankan dari Kiev. Bagaimana pesawat ini boleh berada di sana - tidak jelas, "kata seorang wakil Republik Donetsk Rakyat.

Patrick Lancaster, yang berada di lokasi kemalangan daripada jet Malaysia, kata ‘self-defense forces’ di atas darat telah mengesahkan pesawat itu "pasti ditembak jatuh."

"Askar memberitahu kami bahawa terdapat mayat-mayat yang bertaburan di sekitar kawasan . . . Mereka menunggu Perdana Menteri Republik Rakyat Donetsk utk datang dan memeriksa kawasan itu," katanya kepada RT.

Sebelum ini Boeing-777, yang sulung komersial penerbangan hampir tepat 2 dekad yang lalu, telah mengalami 10 insiden serius, menurut Pangkalan Data Keselamatan Penerbangan.

Yang paling terkenal ini melibatkan satu lagi laluan yang dilaksanakan oleh syarikat yang sama, Malaysia Airlines Penerbangan 370, di mana pesawat buatan Amerika Syarikat hilang di luar radar antara Kuala Lumpur dan Beijing, pada bulan Mac tahun ini.

Walaupun usaha carian antarabangsa kapal terbang, berharga berpuluh-puluh juta ringgit, namun sebab2 yang kehilangan masih belum muktamad ditubuhkan, belum pulih.

Satu lagi kejadian liputan meluas berlaku pada tahun lepas, apabila Asiana Airlines Penerbangan 214 juruterbang merempuh tembok laut pendaratan pendek jalur di Lapangan Terbang Antarabangsa San Fransisco, mendorong fiuslaj untuk mengheret seluruh landasan kerana ia hancur dalam kebakaran.

3 orang mati akibat kejadian itu - kematian pertama dalam sejarah model ini, yang dianggap sebagai sangat selamat dalam industrinya.

Pada masa ini, kira-kira 1200 pengubahsuaian Boeing-777 dikendalikan di seluruh DUNIA.

"Boeing-777 adalah sekeping jentera yang sangat dipercayai. Pesawat moden tidak hanya kemalangan tanpa alasan, "juruterbang dan pakar penerbangan Yury karash memberitahu RT.

"Marilah kita ingat bagaimana peluru berpandu Ukraine menjatuhkan pesawat Rusia TU-154 10 tahun lalu. Saya tidak boleh benar-benar menolak kemungkinan Boeing-777 juga telah dipukul oleh peluru berpandu ini."

"Saya tidak tahu siapa yang boleh menembak jatuh ke bawah. Tetapi saya boleh mengatakan bahawa ia kemungkinan besar adalah angkatan tentera Ukraine: hanya kerana ketenteraan - pertahanan anti-pesawat, khususnya - malangnya, adalah, yang tidak berkelayakan.

Sebagai penilaian oleh keadaan keseluruhan angkatan tentera Ukraine, tidak cukup perhatian telah dibayar kepada latihan mereka, "katanya.

Flightradar24@flightradar24

penerbangan Malaysia Airlines #MH17 sebelum ianya hilang lalui Ukraine [Malaysia Airlines flight #MH17 just before it disappeared over Ukraine].

11:35 PM - 17 Jul 2014

zerohedge @zerohedge

Laporan terakhir kedudukan log adalah seperti UTC 13:20 [Last reported position log was as of 1:20 PM UTC]

11:48 PM - 17 Jul 2014

Malaysian airliner crashes in E. Ukraine near Russian border, over 280 people on board . . .

A Malaysia Airlines’ Boeing-777 with over 280 passengers on board has crashed in Ukraine, close to the border with Russia. Both Kiev and the opposition deny involvement in the incident.

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The head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Geraschenko said the plane carrying 280 passengers and 15 crew members fell.

Malaysia Airlines has confirmed that it has lost contact with the plane when it was flying over Ukrainian soil.

The passenger plane was expected to enter Russian airspace at 5:20pm local time, but never did, a Russian aviation industry source was cited by Reuters.

“The plane crashed 60km away from the border, the plane had an emergency beacon,” ITAR-TASS cited its source.

Residents have reported finding debris from a plane, which they say could belong to the Malaysian Boeing. They said that several dozen dead passengers have been found, RIA Novosti reports.

Groups that are fighting Kiev’s forces in eastern Ukraine have rejected any involvement in the incident, as there are reports that the plane was shot down.

The Donetsk People’s Republic claims its self-defense forces simply don’t have such military equipment.

Donetsk People's Republic PM Aleksandr Boroday has called the incident a “provocation by the Ukrainian military”.

“We confirm that the plane crashed not far from Donetsk,” Boroday said. “Representatives of Donetsk People's Republic have headed to the scene of the plane search.”

“Self-defense forces have no air-defense, which could target transport aircraft at that height,” he told Interfax.

“We have only MANPADs (portable anti-aircraft missile complex) which hit targets at 3-4 kilometers,” Sergey Kavtaradze, representative for Donetsk People’s Republic PM, also told journalists.

Russia’s military also says none of its military planes have been flying close to the Russia-Ukraine border on Thursday, RIA Novosti reported citing a military official.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has not ruled out that a Malaysian plane has been shot down.

“We don’t rule out that this plane was shot down and stress that Ukrainian forces did not fulfill any actions targeting in the air,” Poroshenko said. He added that an investigation commission will be launched.

At the same time, Anton Geraschenko said on his Facebook page that the plane was targeted from the air defense missile complex "Buk".

RIA Novosti is citing its source who said that Kiev indeed deployed “Buk” in the Donetsk region.

“According to the system of objective control, "Buk" division of the armed forces of Ukraine was relocated to Donetsk region on Wednesday. Now in Kharkov another division is being prepared,” the source said.

The sources stressed that aircraft flying at an altitude of over 10 kilometers can only be targeted by C-300 class weapons or ‘Buk”.

A source in Russia's federal air traffic agency Rosaviatsia has said that three days ago Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council closed the airspace over eastern Ukraine because of the so-called “anti-terrorist operation” that Kiev conducts in the region.

Earlier a representative of Donetsk People’s Republic said that civil aviation planes could not fly over Donetsk and Lugansk regions. He added that all necessary traffic control and navigation equipment was damaged.

“Dispatching support of all passenger flights is being conducted from Kiev. How this plane could be there - is not clear,” a representative of Donetsk People’s Republic said.

Patrick Lancaster, who was at the crash site of the Malaysian jet, said the self-defense forces on the ground have confirmed the plane was “definitely shot down.”

“Soldiers told us that there are bodies scattered all around the area . . . They’re waiting on the prime minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic to come and inspect the area,” he told RT.

The Boeing-777, whose maiden commercial flight was almost exactly two decades ago, had previously suffered ten serious incidents, according to the Aviation Safety Database.

The most notorious of these involved another route performed by the same company, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, during which the US-made aircraft disappeared off the radars between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing, in March this year.

Despite an international search effort costing tens of millions of dollars, the plane, the reasons for whose disappearance have still not been definitively established, has not yet been recovered.

Another widely-covered incident occurred last year, when Asiana Airlines Flight 214 pilot crashed into the seawall just short of the landing strip at San Fransisco Inter-national Airport, prompting the fuselage to drag across the runway as it disintegrated in a fire.

Three people died as a result of the incident – the first fatalities in the history of the model, which is regarded as very safe in the industry.

Currently, about 1200 modifications of Boeing-777 are operated worldwide.

“A Boeing-777 is an extremely reliable piece of machinery. Modern planes don’t just crash with no reason,” pilot and aviation expert Yury Karash told RT.

“Let us recall how a Ukrainian missile downed a Russian TU-154 aircraft ten years ago. I can’t completely exclude the possibility the Boeing-777 was also hit by a missile.”

“I don’t know who could’ve shot it down. But I can allege that it most likely was the Ukrainian armed forces: simply because its military – anti-aircraft defense, in particular – are, unfortunately, unqualified.

As judging by the overall state of the Ukrainian armed forces, insufficient attention has been paid to their training,” he added.

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